Interesting talk for sure. Nothing but respect for people participating in the Catholic Church but advocating for labor/communist. I personally come at it from a perspective of just really struggling to believe in god, at the least as it's understood on Christianity.
The labor history knowledge of the interviewee was a good insight. As well as the 'acts of Mercy' stuff is all good in my book.
At the end of the day though unfortunately I think most people in power use religion to justify whatever they want to do.
Why not just be a distributist? I don't get the appeal of Marxism if there's distributism. Yea the capitalistic system has messed stuff up, but that doesn't mean give the state the means of production or that no one can own private property. Why don't we just go back to the pre capitalistic period?
Societal regression would help no one. A core tenet of Marxism is acknowledging how successful capitalism has been at making things. Marxists aim to preserve and increase the productive power of capitalism while eliminating the system's exploitation. We want to evolve, not go backwards.
Dawg I don't think thats Marxism. Do you know about distributism? You're talking to Catholics. Distributism says that families should own the means of production. Marxism says first the government then no one should own the means of production. The difference is that we don't give up our means to the state, but rather rely on local systems of communities and friendships in order to promote flourishing. Distributism isn't anti-inovation. There are several distributists manufacturing companies like Monfragon in Spain.
Marx on the other hand says the only way forward is through a classless society where the means of production are first given to the state in hopes they will be returned to the community. This doesn't make much sense. Since Marx is anti all hierarchy it cannot be reconciled with Catholicism where indeed there is a hierarchy, but it is one of fatherly/motherly love and good will, "truly I tell you, you will not rule as the pagans do, but the greatest among you will serve the least". Also the taking of private property is the most fundamental injustices you can do to a man and is just a reaction to the market system developed by Adam Smith and friends (read rerum novarum). Instead of submitting to the state to spread the means of production, we aim to spread them in ways that are more natural and existed before the (M)arket system. It's not regressive, it's simply not oppressive.
Don't tell me what Catholic social teaching is if you want bother to read it.
You're confused. Go read the communist manifesto. The opening paragraph celebrates the accomplishments of capitalism. Also, socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, not state ownership.
Interesting talk for sure. Nothing but respect for people participating in the Catholic Church but advocating for labor/communist. I personally come at it from a perspective of just really struggling to believe in god, at the least as it's understood on Christianity.
The labor history knowledge of the interviewee was a good insight. As well as the 'acts of Mercy' stuff is all good in my book.
At the end of the day though unfortunately I think most people in power use religion to justify whatever they want to do.
Why not just be a distributist? I don't get the appeal of Marxism if there's distributism. Yea the capitalistic system has messed stuff up, but that doesn't mean give the state the means of production or that no one can own private property. Why don't we just go back to the pre capitalistic period?
Societal regression would help no one. A core tenet of Marxism is acknowledging how successful capitalism has been at making things. Marxists aim to preserve and increase the productive power of capitalism while eliminating the system's exploitation. We want to evolve, not go backwards.
Dawg I don't think thats Marxism. Do you know about distributism? You're talking to Catholics. Distributism says that families should own the means of production. Marxism says first the government then no one should own the means of production. The difference is that we don't give up our means to the state, but rather rely on local systems of communities and friendships in order to promote flourishing. Distributism isn't anti-inovation. There are several distributists manufacturing companies like Monfragon in Spain.
Marx on the other hand says the only way forward is through a classless society where the means of production are first given to the state in hopes they will be returned to the community. This doesn't make much sense. Since Marx is anti all hierarchy it cannot be reconciled with Catholicism where indeed there is a hierarchy, but it is one of fatherly/motherly love and good will, "truly I tell you, you will not rule as the pagans do, but the greatest among you will serve the least". Also the taking of private property is the most fundamental injustices you can do to a man and is just a reaction to the market system developed by Adam Smith and friends (read rerum novarum). Instead of submitting to the state to spread the means of production, we aim to spread them in ways that are more natural and existed before the (M)arket system. It's not regressive, it's simply not oppressive.
Don't tell me what Catholic social teaching is if you want bother to read it.
You're confused. Go read the communist manifesto. The opening paragraph celebrates the accomplishments of capitalism. Also, socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production, not state ownership.
looking forward to it