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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Money is not even real. We are talking about taxing a fiction that only exists because society says it is a thing. And like so many of the fictions our species has created, it now controls us.

I find the libertarian view to be self-servingly detached from reality.

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"Property means you have a right to something. If money (or land, as we’ll soon cover) is only yours while you’re awake and able to protect it from being stolen, you don’t have a right to it. You’re simply guarding it. Given all profit comes from society’s willingness to provide public goods and enforce contracts, taxation is simply how the public that upholds these conditions recoups some of the value it enabled others to create."

By this logic, not even governments or states would really "own" anything, they'd just be collectively guarding things. How can then a government grant rights of usage to property it does not itself own? This would seem to defeat the entire concept of property. Even collective ownership needs to be based on some kind of right to own, derived from somewhere or something.

If your argument is that a modern state is a form of collective ownership whereby nobody owns "privately" anything on their own, but all property is socialized, i.e. merely granted as a form of privilege by the collective, which may choose when to retract it, then this could work, but it would still have to rest upon a notion of rightful collective ownership. At least so it seems to me.

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