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Miguel Cruz's avatar

Abolishing ICE doesn’t mean Americans don’t want immigration enforcement of some kind. Just like Americans want effective policing.

Joe Wrote's avatar

Definitely. I think we need to detach ICE from immigration enforcement.

Out of a Sudden's avatar

Another great job deconstructing centrist extremism, Joe. Relatedly, I note that George Conway is running for Congress as a Democrat. I'm waiting for anyone to specify the problems for which George Conway is the solution.

Joe Wrote's avatar

LOL. It's hard to take his Never Trump position seriously when his wife was Trump's closest advisor in his first term.

Out of a Sudden's avatar

If people can forgive Graham Platner, Conway made the right choice divorcing his own Nazi tattoo in 2023. My concern is that it was amicable.

Ohio Barbarian's avatar

Thank you for wading through all that Third Way horseshit so I didn't have to. My dad was a good foot soldier for the New Democrats when they started up in the 1980s--they just wanted in on the corporate grift, and my dad saw it as a chance to improve his social status.

It didn't exactly help our relationship, either, especially since it was my parents who had brought me up praising FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society to the skies. Just saying so you can have some idea of how long I have been sick of the Democratic establishment.

They've always been masters of bullshit and of stacking primaries to go the way their donors wish. This wording of polls to skew the results is nothing new, either. The New York Times has been doing it since they've done polls. So has Fox, for that matter.

The Democratic establishment is funded by the same people who fund the Republicans, and both have used our tax dollars to pay for these ICE thugs to be trained in ISRAELI policing methods, meaning they are trained to treat us like the Israelis treat Palestinians.

And it shows.