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BenMedia's avatar

Best take down of the "Israel is only defending itself" argument I've ever heard.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

I'm glad it resonated. Sometimes, it helps to take a step back and view the historical context.

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david kavanaugh's avatar

really well written. thanks

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Joe Wrote's avatar

Thanks for reading!

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Erik Heddergott's avatar

In Switzerland as well as in Germany there are Laws about Self-Defense Excesses.

It is possible to get away unpunished for Self-Defense Excesses if they happen in the very Beginnings of the rightful Defense and if the Excess is not too excessive. This applies in Cases between Individuals.

If the Excesses go to far the Excesses can be punished as Murder in the most excessive Cases.

If translated to international Conflicts it is now easily clear that Israel‘s Self-Defense Excess went to far not only in „Time“ but also in „Means“ and „Deeds“.

Everybody who still shows „Understanding“ for Israel‘s Self-Defense Excess is on the Side of Mass-Murder and Ethnic Cleansing.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

That's a good way to frame it. Even if this is "self-defense," the fact they killed thousands of civilians to get a few hundred militants is insane. If you kill 10x the people you're trying to kill, then you don't get to have an army anymore.

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Eliana's avatar

Well said.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

🙏

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Eliana's avatar

❤️💗

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Hachemi Hadjoudj's avatar

Naturally! The USA is a peaceful nation, concerned with respecting international legality! Make no mistake, its bellicosity and warlike impulses are only the "preemptive" expression of legitimate defense, by anticipation. So, all the wars it has caused, whether it be the genocide of the American Indians, the Korean War, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria...to name just a few, are to be put down to the enemy that the USA strives to perpetuate...As for Israel and its well-known victim delusion, it has established itself in lies and violence, which, by the admission of its own leaders, was the only way to achieve their dream and expand their "𝙇𝙚𝙗𝙚𝙣𝙨𝙧𝙖𝙪𝙢" and their crazy dream of Greater Israel. This xenograft implanted in Palestine is a real cancer that Western nations still strive to consider as a democracy, a moral one at that, as a peaceful entity wishing to live in peace with its neighbors while it is currently striving to remodel the Middle East from top to bottom, as the Sykes-Picot agreements once did… So, please, let’s stop taking us for idiots! Enough is enough!…

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