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Joy in HK fiFP's avatar

Thank you for this analysis of this visible split among the MAGA sect. May it grow ever wider in the coming New Year!

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Joe Wrote's avatar

🙏 Thank you for reading it!

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Lidija P Nagulov's avatar

Thanks for summarizing all of this up, it was a fun read :) I mean, in the typical depressive dystopian sense :)

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Joe Wrote's avatar

lol, I know what you mean. If these people weren't in charge of the nukes, we'd be laughing hysterically.

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Lidija P Nagulov's avatar

This is it. So often I'm like 'this is hilariously stupid' and then I realize they literally own me.

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Ohio Barbarian's avatar

MAGA just had ruling class solidarity slammed into their faces, and many of them understand that they DO have different class interests than the billionaires.

This is a good thing, and needs to be encouraged.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

Agreed.

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Kris's avatar

Let ‘er rip !

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BenMedia's avatar

Perfectly said

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Joe Wrote's avatar

My man 🫡

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Andrew's avatar

I'm so glad you comb X so I don't have to, Joe! Insane what you captured here in the screenshots. an absolute circus act.

Thanks for the compelling piece!

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Joe Wrote's avatar

Of course - glad you liked it!

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tiny zephyr's avatar

I love this article. Much of it needed to be said, but in one way, it kind of doesn’t matter. Only because I would like to see you shed more light on this sideshow for what it really is.

Vivek & Elon should only be allowed to make proposals under the supervision of either Donald Trump’s advisors or Trump himself - need to be reminded they are not elected and settle for enjoying limited roles under strong ethical scrutiny.

True transparency would avail us the view of any agreements made for their service to this administration.

So it’s fine for them to focus on figuring out ways to streamline arcane comms & data management.

They are not policy makers.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

I'm glad you liked it! I agree about the gruesome twosome. There will be many scandals during the Trump years, but paramount among them will be the open oligarchy, which Musk and Vivek will be the face of.

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tiny zephyr's avatar

All true - please keep writing!

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DC Eastman's avatar

Insightful - divide and conquer others, but stick together at the top

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Joe Wrote's avatar

It's a time-tested strategy.

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Saralyn Fosnight's avatar

Very well done❤️.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

Thank you, Saralyn!

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K. M. Eisenbarth's avatar

They have known since the southern strategy that good old fashioned home spun racism will always win elections.

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Kumara Republic's avatar

"There’s a cheeky saying in leftist circles that capitalists are the most ardent Marxists. Not in that they want to overturn the system that has made them richer than God, but because they practice unwavering class solidarity."

And also because late-stage capitalists are far more effective at turning people into Marxists than actual Marxist propagandists.

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Carson's avatar

Not sure if I’m with you that H1-B visas are bad for the working class. Noah Smith wrote a pretty detailed analysis and I’d be curious to see where you disagree with him.

Also it’s funny to note that even in Atlas Shrugged - the most extremely anti-marxist novel to the point of absurdity - most of the villains are capitalist oligarchs. They tend to do well under marxism.

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Joe Wrote's avatar

My key issue with the visas is that they create a class of unprotected workers. Between an H1 candidate and a native candidate, a capitalist will hire the H1 because that person has to stay allied to the company. Any talk of organizing and they are fired, lose their visa, and quickly deported.

As this hurts all workers, both foreign and domestic-born, I see it as an issue worth addressing.

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Kris's avatar

It’s class - it’s not race , it’s exploitative . It busts unions, and organizing is the only way traditionally workers gained any power against corporations . Much is said about visa holders, but contractors from anywhere accomplish the same - an exploitative work place.

It’s not about top talent - they’ll screw top talent in a heartbeat - no matter where they’re from . They want inexpensive labor- it’s not about the success or excellence of the corporation . See IBM- it employs MOST of its workers in India now - and it has fallen in ranking, in esteem , in rev. Sam palmisano and Ginny Rometty - CEOs who saw IBM through all the budget cuts retired as multimillionaires - that my friends is a historic transfer of wealth via exploitation of the IT worker class and the destruction of a once great U.S. co.

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Kris's avatar

Can you list the Noah smith content ? I’ve been replying to a lot of these - including Paul krugman. As a MS in IS with 16 yrs in major US Corp affected by contracting, visa holders, and offshoring - I can say u equivocally it is not innocuous to US workers , and it’s not about race . There are many IT workers combatting the benevolent visa messaging.

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TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan's avatar

I'm a bit confused about the "He even buried the mother of his children on a golf course to get a tax break" part; Is it meant to be hyperbole or a metaphor, or is it something Trump actually did? Btw, it would probably be worth it to cite your sources in this article (Mainly about claims relating to stuff other than the twitter fight itself)

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Joe Wrote's avatar

The mother of Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka is buried at his golf course. That makes it a "burial ground" and implies tax breaks. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1gcwcej/the_grave_site_of_ivana_trump_at_her_ex_husbands/

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TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan's avatar

I see! I looked into it, and while there is some reason to doubt the 'Tax exemption' hypothesis given how he had already lowered the taxes to just 16 dollars a year somehow, given how the ultra wealthy tend to work on a 'Nickel and dime' mindset despite having more money than a single person could reasonably ever need, it wouldn't be surprising if Trump was trying to lower the already outlandishly small taxation the golf course faces down to zero.

Source: https://archive.is/KmXmn (It's New York Magazine article, it's an archive.is link so you can get past the paywall)

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Joe Wrote's avatar

Thanks!

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Sarah's avatar

Look up Ivana Trump burial and see what you think

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