Nate Silver just had a long article explaining why Dems would be better off focusing on the economy instead of Garcia, because Trump is more adept at responding to immigration than a tanking economy. Silver ignored that the Garcia case isn’t an immigration issue - it’s a human rights and due process issue. Thanks for connecting the dots to prove that extrajudicial deportation can be divorced from the broad “immigration” category, and that Trump is beatable if people just grow some balls.
That's classic Silver. Economic issues are critical, but the notion that people don't care about this is flatly untrue. He's clearly wrong, yet he'll spend the next two years insisting he's right.
Very true. And caring about your wallet isn't even a bad thing. But I think there's a limit, and if rights are violated in significant enough ways, people will pay attention.
Yay Harvard! (And the law firms fighting back and making progress, there, too.)
I want to acknowledge that the Democrats going down there is action. However, I recently spent some time watching / listening to right-wing media (not by choice) and I’m not sure this is enough.
By so vocally focusing on individual people who have been deported* to El Salvador, Democrats are missing an opportunity to change the narrative about the real issue, which ALL people should care about, and if they were talking about it constantly, there wouldn’t be any confusion on the right about why they want to bring these folks back: hundreds of people were taken from this country without due process.
Otherwise you have the right-wing media chattering about how Democrats want to bring everyone back to release them into the community where you’ll never hear from them again because they love criminals.
It may very well be that some of them should have been deported, and after a hearing, that’s what will happen. Some of them were already in US jails for US crimes, so that’s where they’ll be taken back to. Some of them were legal residents so, yes, after a hearing / once it comes out that their arrest was a mistake they’ll go back to their lives.
But the penalty for deportation was never to be taken to a prison in another country, just like if I am deported from France I don’t expect to end up in a prison in Chile. (At worst, if I commit a crime, I expect I’ll end up in prison in France.)
*Technically, what happened isn’t even deportation. It’s extraordinary rendition, and the media / the Democrats need to start talking about it like it is rather than accepting the MAGA narrative.
I couldn't have said it better myself. We should be clear that no one, even those who have committed crimes, should be sent to a Central American prison. And a fantastic point about the language. These aren't "deportations" and they're not "immigration issues," no matter how often that's discussed.
I agree 100%. We are so fortunate that Harvard has decided to fight back. Someone has to!!
What bothers me the most is that the most vulnerable do not have the ability to fight back. In my hometown the immigrant population is living in constant fear of ICE and possible deportation. These are not criminals. These are hardworking people who want nothing more than to live in the United States and raise a family. Yet they now have to be on high alert constantly. If there is a suspicious car outside of their apartment they immediately freak out in fear that ICE is about to crash into their apartment and take someone. It is just not fair!!
It's a true tragedy. It's essential to highlight the fear you're talking about. People are constantly looking over their shoulder, wondering if the stranger who asks them for directions is a secret police officer waiting to snatch them off the street. That will cause irrevocable harm to the country, never mind the people it directly impacts.
Not the most important fact, but Van Hollen is not the first to get a Full Ginsburg in thirteen years. I could only find where your source defined what a Full Ginsburg is, so I'm not sure where the "first in thirteen years" came from.
Otherwise, great read! Still can't believe Columbia put up no fight just to get pantsed by Harvard a few weeks later. They literally just had to say, "No."
I continue to pay attention to who is standing up in the Dem party early on in this shit show.
Clearly, very few have the guts of Bernie and AOC. I am grateful for a senator from my state, Chris Larson, and a few others, but Chris stands out. Check him out some time.
Nate Silver just had a long article explaining why Dems would be better off focusing on the economy instead of Garcia, because Trump is more adept at responding to immigration than a tanking economy. Silver ignored that the Garcia case isn’t an immigration issue - it’s a human rights and due process issue. Thanks for connecting the dots to prove that extrajudicial deportation can be divorced from the broad “immigration” category, and that Trump is beatable if people just grow some balls.
That's classic Silver. Economic issues are critical, but the notion that people don't care about this is flatly untrue. He's clearly wrong, yet he'll spend the next two years insisting he's right.
It’s almost like he only makes arguments that can fit into a statistical model, or rely on his proprietary polling aggregator…
It's sad, but also the reality that people care more about their wallets than rights for others
Very true. And caring about your wallet isn't even a bad thing. But I think there's a limit, and if rights are violated in significant enough ways, people will pay attention.
Yay Harvard! (And the law firms fighting back and making progress, there, too.)
I want to acknowledge that the Democrats going down there is action. However, I recently spent some time watching / listening to right-wing media (not by choice) and I’m not sure this is enough.
By so vocally focusing on individual people who have been deported* to El Salvador, Democrats are missing an opportunity to change the narrative about the real issue, which ALL people should care about, and if they were talking about it constantly, there wouldn’t be any confusion on the right about why they want to bring these folks back: hundreds of people were taken from this country without due process.
Otherwise you have the right-wing media chattering about how Democrats want to bring everyone back to release them into the community where you’ll never hear from them again because they love criminals.
It may very well be that some of them should have been deported, and after a hearing, that’s what will happen. Some of them were already in US jails for US crimes, so that’s where they’ll be taken back to. Some of them were legal residents so, yes, after a hearing / once it comes out that their arrest was a mistake they’ll go back to their lives.
But the penalty for deportation was never to be taken to a prison in another country, just like if I am deported from France I don’t expect to end up in a prison in Chile. (At worst, if I commit a crime, I expect I’ll end up in prison in France.)
*Technically, what happened isn’t even deportation. It’s extraordinary rendition, and the media / the Democrats need to start talking about it like it is rather than accepting the MAGA narrative.
I couldn't have said it better myself. We should be clear that no one, even those who have committed crimes, should be sent to a Central American prison. And a fantastic point about the language. These aren't "deportations" and they're not "immigration issues," no matter how often that's discussed.
Free Rumeysa Ozturk. Tufts PhD student snatched from the street by unidentified, masked men, from HHS/ICE.
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Its just not fair that some people have to live that way
I agree 100%. We are so fortunate that Harvard has decided to fight back. Someone has to!!
What bothers me the most is that the most vulnerable do not have the ability to fight back. In my hometown the immigrant population is living in constant fear of ICE and possible deportation. These are not criminals. These are hardworking people who want nothing more than to live in the United States and raise a family. Yet they now have to be on high alert constantly. If there is a suspicious car outside of their apartment they immediately freak out in fear that ICE is about to crash into their apartment and take someone. It is just not fair!!
It's a true tragedy. It's essential to highlight the fear you're talking about. People are constantly looking over their shoulder, wondering if the stranger who asks them for directions is a secret police officer waiting to snatch them off the street. That will cause irrevocable harm to the country, never mind the people it directly impacts.
Not the most important fact, but Van Hollen is not the first to get a Full Ginsburg in thirteen years. I could only find where your source defined what a Full Ginsburg is, so I'm not sure where the "first in thirteen years" came from.
Otherwise, great read! Still can't believe Columbia put up no fight just to get pantsed by Harvard a few weeks later. They literally just had to say, "No."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Ginsburg#Completed_full_Ginsburgs
Thanks! Oh yea, I was way off. The source I read said the last was John Kerry, but that was clearly wrong. Correcting now.
Joe, I'm surprised you didn't "both sides" this one. I'll do it for you.
STANDING UP TO TRUMP WORKS & SURRENDERING TO TRUMP ALSO WORKS.
Boom, Joe! Boom!
I continue to pay attention to who is standing up in the Dem party early on in this shit show.
Clearly, very few have the guts of Bernie and AOC. I am grateful for a senator from my state, Chris Larson, and a few others, but Chris stands out. Check him out some time.