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This is bullshit of the purest ray serene—and it’s also beside the point. What counts is not the right to defend one’s self but the ability to do so. The founders of Israel grasped this distinction, which is a core principle of Zionism. One could say, indeed, that antisemites contributed to the foundation of Israel by reminding the Jews that on the bottom line, they can rely on no one but themselves.

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Apr 20Liked by Joe Mayall

Why does the US need to give billions in handouts every year if Israel has the “ability” to defend itself as you are saying here? Let the American people have the money for themselves to solve their own problems then. No wonder the average person in America is worse off and scraping barrel with the war mongering uni-party system it has.

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Are you saying it's not about who has "the right to self defense," but who is able to conquer the other party? Am I understanding that correctly?

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Well, you know, I said what I said, which was clear enough, as is typical of everything that I say. So perhaps the failure of comprehension is down to you.

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Enlighten me

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Enlighten yourself—if, though I doubt, that's possible.

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👍🏻

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You are mistaken in thinking that you can explain anything to an uneducated boy who writes stupid essays in a fit of socialist narcissism.

He does this for self-affirmation, using propaganda techniques known from the times of Nazi and Soviet newspapers, and not in order to listen to another point of view or analyze the facts.

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Damn, you got me!

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Apr 16·edited Apr 16Liked by Joe Mayall

Great article. Thank you Joe!

The majority of us are occupying what is now called the United States and Canada, also Northern Ireland and Scotland, etc. Interesting and important to really think about.

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Apr 16Liked by Joe Mayall

The "illusory truth effect" is a really great way to lead into this analysis

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Thanks! I think it helps explain the long-running tactic of "Israel has a right to defend itself" and why politicians cling to it.

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Your analysis of the Big Lie around Israel's "right to defend itself" is superb. Thank you.

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Thanks Rybin! I appreciate your kind words.

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Apr 17Liked by Joe Mayall

No it does not

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✊🏻

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Palestinians don’t believe Israel is illegally occupying “West Bank” and “Gaza.” They believe Israel is immorally occupying the whole of Palestine. An important distinction.

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It doesn't matter what they believe. The UN has been very clear — Palestinian resistance is legal and a human right. You can claim "they believe X, Y, and Z," but all of that is irrelevant.

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I know but my point is relevant because it precludes Israeli withdrawal from West Bank and Gaza. As Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 showed, a Palestinian state in the 1967 territories would be a revanchist state, focused on positioning itself to gain the territory that it really wants. Palestinians have made it very clear that all migration of Jews to Palestine after 1880 is illegitimate. Today, some of them would be fine if Israeli Jews and their wealth stuck around, as long as they are willing to live under Arab majority rule. Others want them to go back to from where they came. Palestinian right to self-determination is contingent on their acceptance of similar Israeli right. Those are the facts of life when you start a war and lose.

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No, it's not relevant. You don't get to break the law the because you think other people will break it if given the opportunity. What you're articulating is preemptive war — "We have to occupy/attack X country because otherwise they'll do it to us!"

This has repeatedly been upheld as a war crime (see the Iraq War).

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No, it is relevant. Knowing the intentions of an adversarial group is super important to how you respond to that groups actions. If I am slapped in the face by my friend because I lost a bet, I will have a different reaction than if I am slapped because they want to beat me up. If the Palestinians only wanted to decolonize the west bank, Israel should have a very different reaction to that compared to the current situation in which the intention is to get rid of Israel. And calling something a war crime doesn’t actually mean anything. Laws can be wrong. I totally believe Israel has overreacted and is doing terrible things. That being said, I don’t buy this analysis.

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"Laws can be wrong" is nonsensical, considering we're talking about the UN. Israel is a UN member and has voluntarily joined, subjecting themselves to UN regulations.

That's an insane thing to say with regards to illegal occupations.

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Describing laws is a descriptive, not normative statement. It doesn’t actually tell me if something is wrong. I consent to be a U.S citizen, yet I don’t agree all of the laws are moral. But that wasn’t the main point I was making anyways.

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I'm of the opinion that, barring compliance with US demands for radical change in Israeli domestic policy, regime change, by any necessary means, should be implemented. I couldn't care less about Biden's reelection, but this might be a path forward for our nation.

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Israel is a cancerous tumor on the body politic of the US and should be recognized and excised as such.

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I'm amazed at how Biden is willing to decrease his chances of winning the election simply to support Israel. His polling on the matter falls daily, and he's steadfast in his commitment. It's like a suicide pact.

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Yes he should be on side of Jihad right?

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Suppose the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour had been detected. USA would have had a right to self-defence. BUT. What is done in self defence has to be proportionate. Israel has acted disproportionately and. In doing so, is supported by USA and UK and others. A truly appalling situation.

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That's not an accurate comparison, though. In the Pearl Harbor situation, Japan was the aggressive party. The US had a right to defend itself against this aggression. In Israel-Palestine, Israel is the aggressive party, ala Japan.

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SD Butler, Joe, Eomar and all the Jew/Israel haters on this thread: just wait until January 20, 2025 when one of President Trump’s first official orders will be to green light Israel to rid the Middle East of Hamas, Gaza and “Palestine”

The Jordanians, Saudi’s and Egyptians will be cheering. Of course the Queers for Palestine will be melting down, but I digress…

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I'm glad you enjoyed it!

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