The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument really only works if you view stealing other peoples land based on some vague historical/ancestral claim to it and then committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the people living there as some neutral, benign action that everyone should accept.
Thank you for this wonderful article! The voice of reason! Which highlights the fundamental right of peoples to exist, and not that of states that are artificial creations that can be remodelled according to the whims of history and the whims of deranged sociopaths…
Statehood is often a construct imposed by an external and often colonising force(s), and it’s particularly dangerous when that force wants homogeneity within the “state’s” borders. Palestine used to be a rich, culturally and ethnically diverse region with somewhat porous boundaries, but what the region has become having been artificially constructed by external forces and then occupied by a colonising apartheid regime with walls both within an around is a social, cultural and physical dustbowl.
Mark I agree with you more than I disagree but your question about why doesn’t Egypt open its border to Gaza has a very reasonable replay as to why that is not a moral idea. Doing so would incentivize ethnic cleansing, something many in Israel would (understandably) quite like to do, but which is against internationally recognized laws of war and which for many reason needs to remain so. Regardless of what people may wish, “Palestine” exists because around 7 million non-Jews living in West Bank and Gaza call themselves Palestinians, and despite what you may wish Jordan or Egypt or anywhere else is not Palestine. Israel’s moral right to exist as a Jewish state — which unlike most people here I support — is CONTINGENT on continuing, good faith efforts to give Palestinians a decent sized state, whenever they are willing to accept a Jewish state next to them. The only valid and moral alternative, I believe, is giving Palestinians ALL the rights that Israeli Arabs have.
"Beg to differ, there is no Apartheid , saying so its an out and out lie , propagated by Pro Palestinians and Communist College Professors among others, and people like yourself."
So, Israel's own human rights organization is lying?
"Now on to colonizers, who colonized who? Palestine? Which Palestine ?"
The establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine was an explicitly colonial project (specifically, British Imperialism). And, as has already been pointed out to you: according to a genetic study by John Hopkins University, 97.5% of Israelis are the descendants of European migrants and have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews, while 80% of Palestinians actually are the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
"In actuality there has never been a Palestine, But people like yourself swallow the lie hook line and sinker."
Palestine was a recognized province of the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, and was a mandate of the British Empire post-WW1. Considering you cited many of these, you clearly know it, so...why are you lying?
Absolutely agree. Who cares what the state is called if everyone has the same rights and the Palestinians who were driven out in the Nakba are given a right to return. Here's to a single, democratic, secular state!
Thank you! I have said for years that no state has rights. Only people do. I think—and I have to say this carefully—that those who insist on “Israel’s right to exist”!are convinced that, without the state of Israel, all Jews everywhere would be oppressed. They are wrong, I think. But they live their lives in fear, and the anger and hate bred by fear.
I think a lot of Zionists began claiming "If Israel doesn't exist, all Jews will be killed" as a defense of Israel, and somewhere along the way they began to believe it.
That was the point. Zionists have sought at every turn to present fallacies as fact and which if refuted distinguished one as seeking another Holocaust. Weaponzing the Holocaust and anti-seimitism worked for decades. They do not any longer. Zionists, and the state of Israel, are like the emperor with no clothes. We have seen truth, and can not unsee what we have seen.
Everyone with a basic understanding of history and morality knows that Israel is a terrorist entity was established by the West to solve the European Jewish "problem" and extend their imperial influence in the Middle East. If they label you as antisemitic is like being called Islamophobic by ISIS or called Christianophobic by Crusades.
what a timely article, i swear i was just thinking about this exact question in the shower a few days ago & the larger question of what gives states the “right to exist”
This is the only discussion we should be having regarding this topic. Israel is not sustainable without apartheid. It’s genocide/ethnic cleansing or dissolution. Those are effectively the choices you have if you want to engage in this topic.
Next up, Prussia has a right to exist! Rhodesia has a right to exist! Upper Volta has a right to exist! Jonestown has a right to exist! The country I am about to make up has a right to exist!
A brilliant and I believe seminal article. It moves our minds towards evolution onwards from the flawed and corrupt concept of the nation state that has been endlessly leveraged by the forces of division and chaos. Bravo. 👏
Thank you for articulating this!! I was never able to put my finger on why the "Israel has a right to exist" argument made me so...baffled. Like what does that mean??? But it was treated as such a normal thing to say that I thought I was in the wrong. So thank you again for writing and sharing this!!
No state has a right to exist is a great position for masturbatory undergraduate discussions. In the real world, extinguishing a state involves extinguishing people. This is particularly true of Hamas, whose goal is the eradication of the jewish people, period. This article is a call to the genocide of almost 10 million people.
If i were to posit that the author of the post has no right to exist (because no one does), it would be a call to murder him/her. I wonder if the author would be OK with that?
I beg, can you please list me all the times Hamas has attacked Jews outside of Occupied Palestine ? Since y’all zionazis like to keep vomitting the “Hamas wants to eradicate Jews” when y’all didn’t have read their charter which is making a clear distinction between Zionism and Judaism ! So please share with me all the times Hamas has attacked Jews outside of Occupied Palestine since majority of the Jewish population lives outside occupied Palestine! Because I can list you all the times Isnotreal has attacked Jews and non-Jews outside of occupied Palestine since its inception! Also, didn’t you read the 5-volume books of Theodor Herzl who states that the antisemites will become zionists biggest allies and antisemitic countries their ost loyal friends? Didn’t you read Ben-Gurion’s memoir saying that Isnotreal are the aggressors and Palestinians have all the rights to defend themselves? Have you ever heard of Jabotinsky who literally was in a Jewish terrorist group?? Like you’re ignorant as hell and yapping about air? The gall of zionazis really knows no bounds! But I’m waiting for your thorough list of all the attacks Hamas has done to Jews outside of Occupied Palestine, because they couldn’t care less their colonisers religion, they would have defended their land whether they were Christians, Muslims, Buddhist or even atheist! Anyway, list me all the attacks supporting your claims, please!
It’s so funny bc I ask a list specifically about Hamas and you come up with an article made by a fake AI journalist you can hire on Fiverr to make fake article on media outlets? Mind, you I’m a journalist and this is not even how you come up with a proper article, especially for Medium!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, y’all zionazis are truly so funny and keeps proving us how stupid you guys are!! I asked about Hamas! Hamas was founded in 1987, so from then, list me all the attacks they did outside of Occupied Palestine, since they are after the Jewish community so bad! Also by your own logic, why isn’t Isnotreal attacking the Christians Europeans? The very ones who invented antisemitism and persecuted Jews for centuries? So much so Jews fled to the Middle East and North Africa for refuge! Come up with the Hamas attacks list and stop embarrassing yourself this stupidly!
What’s most embarrassing is that you couldn’t find a list of Hamas attacks against Jews outside of Occupied Palestine that you had to resort to a fake article by an AI you can hire of Fiverr (an Isnotreali app at that) with a fucked up article that is not even a proper article in the journalistic sense! And you thought you could fool me, a journalist? Y’all really believe people are dumb by just proving how dumb y’all are!! I am still cackling at this embarrassment, truly! All zionazis do is resort to fake stories and news to prove y’all are the victims??
See the thing with the zionazis is that you guys act like you know people and their lives when you don’t! Dude, you write like a bot, and I have a masters in journalism and know about journalism more than you do as I studied it and am aware of the ins and outs of the field because of technology and needing to be updated! Truly, even lying by making up shit about people you don’t know? That’s how low you guys are?? And btw, 8 year-olds are more intelligent than zionazis! My 8-year-old niece knows the difference between Judaism and Zionism which you can’t! Y’all don’t even see kids as human beings, you’re seriously the most pathetic and ignorant and disgusting troll to be! You have no knowledge of shit and all you can do is pretend to know me? Disrespectfully, go seek help!
And also, it’s *you’re not your and after the sentence there’s no space between the last word and the period, same goes with comas and it’s *make not makes it you’re using the pronoun “you”. Your writing skills are shit, btw
And also, you haven’t given me the list about the Hamas attack? And you clearly don’t know how Medium article guidelines work but I guess you love made up stories and outlets too (KKK TIMES, I’m cackling, you can’t even come up with an existing right-wing news outlet? LMAOOOO )
The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument really only works if you view stealing other peoples land based on some vague historical/ancestral claim to it and then committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the people living there as some neutral, benign action that everyone should accept.
Thank you for this wonderful article! The voice of reason! Which highlights the fundamental right of peoples to exist, and not that of states that are artificial creations that can be remodelled according to the whims of history and the whims of deranged sociopaths…
I'm glad you appreciated it!
Statehood is often a construct imposed by an external and often colonising force(s), and it’s particularly dangerous when that force wants homogeneity within the “state’s” borders. Palestine used to be a rich, culturally and ethnically diverse region with somewhat porous boundaries, but what the region has become having been artificially constructed by external forces and then occupied by a colonising apartheid regime with walls both within an around is a social, cultural and physical dustbowl.
Yes I am a University Professor, which suggests I consult reliable sources beyond Wikipedia.
Touchè!
More so than you have
Mark I agree with you more than I disagree but your question about why doesn’t Egypt open its border to Gaza has a very reasonable replay as to why that is not a moral idea. Doing so would incentivize ethnic cleansing, something many in Israel would (understandably) quite like to do, but which is against internationally recognized laws of war and which for many reason needs to remain so. Regardless of what people may wish, “Palestine” exists because around 7 million non-Jews living in West Bank and Gaza call themselves Palestinians, and despite what you may wish Jordan or Egypt or anywhere else is not Palestine. Israel’s moral right to exist as a Jewish state — which unlike most people here I support — is CONTINGENT on continuing, good faith efforts to give Palestinians a decent sized state, whenever they are willing to accept a Jewish state next to them. The only valid and moral alternative, I believe, is giving Palestinians ALL the rights that Israeli Arabs have.
"Beg to differ, there is no Apartheid , saying so its an out and out lie , propagated by Pro Palestinians and Communist College Professors among others, and people like yourself."
So, Israel's own human rights organization is lying?
"Now on to colonizers, who colonized who? Palestine? Which Palestine ?"
The establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine was an explicitly colonial project (specifically, British Imperialism). And, as has already been pointed out to you: according to a genetic study by John Hopkins University, 97.5% of Israelis are the descendants of European migrants and have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews, while 80% of Palestinians actually are the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
"In actuality there has never been a Palestine, But people like yourself swallow the lie hook line and sinker."
Palestine was a recognized province of the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, and was a mandate of the British Empire post-WW1. Considering you cited many of these, you clearly know it, so...why are you lying?
Ahhhhh...is someone triggered?
Absolutely agree. Who cares what the state is called if everyone has the same rights and the Palestinians who were driven out in the Nakba are given a right to return. Here's to a single, democratic, secular state!
Thank you! I have said for years that no state has rights. Only people do. I think—and I have to say this carefully—that those who insist on “Israel’s right to exist”!are convinced that, without the state of Israel, all Jews everywhere would be oppressed. They are wrong, I think. But they live their lives in fear, and the anger and hate bred by fear.
I think a lot of Zionists began claiming "If Israel doesn't exist, all Jews will be killed" as a defense of Israel, and somewhere along the way they began to believe it.
That was the point. Zionists have sought at every turn to present fallacies as fact and which if refuted distinguished one as seeking another Holocaust. Weaponzing the Holocaust and anti-seimitism worked for decades. They do not any longer. Zionists, and the state of Israel, are like the emperor with no clothes. We have seen truth, and can not unsee what we have seen.
Great points!
Thank you!
Everyone with a basic understanding of history and morality knows that Israel is a terrorist entity was established by the West to solve the European Jewish "problem" and extend their imperial influence in the Middle East. If they label you as antisemitic is like being called Islamophobic by ISIS or called Christianophobic by Crusades.
what a timely article, i swear i was just thinking about this exact question in the shower a few days ago & the larger question of what gives states the “right to exist”
Great minds think a like I guess!
I couldn't agree more.
And what law framework did the zionist use to create the state of Israel? the very same framework they are now destroying?
I guess you don't have very good reading comprehension
This is the only discussion we should be having regarding this topic. Israel is not sustainable without apartheid. It’s genocide/ethnic cleansing or dissolution. Those are effectively the choices you have if you want to engage in this topic.
This is spot on.
Next up, Prussia has a right to exist! Rhodesia has a right to exist! Upper Volta has a right to exist! Jonestown has a right to exist! The country I am about to make up has a right to exist!
A brilliant and I believe seminal article. It moves our minds towards evolution onwards from the flawed and corrupt concept of the nation state that has been endlessly leveraged by the forces of division and chaos. Bravo. 👏
Thank you! I'm thrilled to hear you appreciated it.
Excellent 👌
Thank you! I'm happy to hear you appreciate it!
Thank you for articulating this!! I was never able to put my finger on why the "Israel has a right to exist" argument made me so...baffled. Like what does that mean??? But it was treated as such a normal thing to say that I thought I was in the wrong. So thank you again for writing and sharing this!!
Of course! I'm glad you appreciated it, and thank you for your kind words and support!
No state has a right to exist is a great position for masturbatory undergraduate discussions. In the real world, extinguishing a state involves extinguishing people. This is particularly true of Hamas, whose goal is the eradication of the jewish people, period. This article is a call to the genocide of almost 10 million people.
If i were to posit that the author of the post has no right to exist (because no one does), it would be a call to murder him/her. I wonder if the author would be OK with that?
I don't think you read this article.
I beg, can you please list me all the times Hamas has attacked Jews outside of Occupied Palestine ? Since y’all zionazis like to keep vomitting the “Hamas wants to eradicate Jews” when y’all didn’t have read their charter which is making a clear distinction between Zionism and Judaism ! So please share with me all the times Hamas has attacked Jews outside of Occupied Palestine since majority of the Jewish population lives outside occupied Palestine! Because I can list you all the times Isnotreal has attacked Jews and non-Jews outside of occupied Palestine since its inception! Also, didn’t you read the 5-volume books of Theodor Herzl who states that the antisemites will become zionists biggest allies and antisemitic countries their ost loyal friends? Didn’t you read Ben-Gurion’s memoir saying that Isnotreal are the aggressors and Palestinians have all the rights to defend themselves? Have you ever heard of Jabotinsky who literally was in a Jewish terrorist group?? Like you’re ignorant as hell and yapping about air? The gall of zionazis really knows no bounds! But I’m waiting for your thorough list of all the attacks Hamas has done to Jews outside of Occupied Palestine, because they couldn’t care less their colonisers religion, they would have defended their land whether they were Christians, Muslims, Buddhist or even atheist! Anyway, list me all the attacks supporting your claims, please!
It’s so funny bc I ask a list specifically about Hamas and you come up with an article made by a fake AI journalist you can hire on Fiverr to make fake article on media outlets? Mind, you I’m a journalist and this is not even how you come up with a proper article, especially for Medium!!! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, y’all zionazis are truly so funny and keeps proving us how stupid you guys are!! I asked about Hamas! Hamas was founded in 1987, so from then, list me all the attacks they did outside of Occupied Palestine, since they are after the Jewish community so bad! Also by your own logic, why isn’t Isnotreal attacking the Christians Europeans? The very ones who invented antisemitism and persecuted Jews for centuries? So much so Jews fled to the Middle East and North Africa for refuge! Come up with the Hamas attacks list and stop embarrassing yourself this stupidly!
The question was about Hamas, did you not notice? Try again.
What’s most embarrassing is that you couldn’t find a list of Hamas attacks against Jews outside of Occupied Palestine that you had to resort to a fake article by an AI you can hire of Fiverr (an Isnotreali app at that) with a fucked up article that is not even a proper article in the journalistic sense! And you thought you could fool me, a journalist? Y’all really believe people are dumb by just proving how dumb y’all are!! I am still cackling at this embarrassment, truly! All zionazis do is resort to fake stories and news to prove y’all are the victims??
See the thing with the zionazis is that you guys act like you know people and their lives when you don’t! Dude, you write like a bot, and I have a masters in journalism and know about journalism more than you do as I studied it and am aware of the ins and outs of the field because of technology and needing to be updated! Truly, even lying by making up shit about people you don’t know? That’s how low you guys are?? And btw, 8 year-olds are more intelligent than zionazis! My 8-year-old niece knows the difference between Judaism and Zionism which you can’t! Y’all don’t even see kids as human beings, you’re seriously the most pathetic and ignorant and disgusting troll to be! You have no knowledge of shit and all you can do is pretend to know me? Disrespectfully, go seek help!
And also, it’s *you’re not your and after the sentence there’s no space between the last word and the period, same goes with comas and it’s *make not makes it you’re using the pronoun “you”. Your writing skills are shit, btw
And also, you haven’t given me the list about the Hamas attack? And you clearly don’t know how Medium article guidelines work but I guess you love made up stories and outlets too (KKK TIMES, I’m cackling, you can’t even come up with an existing right-wing news outlet? LMAOOOO )
Not a response and you know it