The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument really only works if you view stealing other peoples land based on some vague historical/ancestral claim to it and then committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the people living there as some neutral, benign action that everyone should accept.
Thank you for this wonderful article! The voice of reason! Which highlights the fundamental right of peoples to exist, and not that of states that are artificial creations that can be remodelled according to the whims of history and the whims of deranged sociopaths…
Statehood is often a construct imposed by an external and often colonising force(s), and it’s particularly dangerous when that force wants homogeneity within the “state’s” borders. Palestine used to be a rich, culturally and ethnically diverse region with somewhat porous boundaries, but what the region has become having been artificially constructed by external forces and then occupied by a colonising apartheid regime with walls both within an around is a social, cultural and physical dustbowl.
"Beg to differ, there is no Apartheid , saying so its an out and out lie , propagated by Pro Palestinians and Communist College Professors among others, and people like yourself."
So, Israel's own human rights organization is lying?
"Now on to colonizers, who colonized who? Palestine? Which Palestine ?"
The establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine was an explicitly colonial project (specifically, British Imperialism). And, as has already been pointed out to you: according to a genetic study by John Hopkins University, 97.5% of Israelis are the descendants of European migrants and have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews, while 80% of Palestinians actually are the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
"In actuality there has never been a Palestine, But people like yourself swallow the lie hook line and sinker."
Palestine was a recognized province of the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, and was a mandate of the British Empire post-WW1. Considering you cited many of these, you clearly know it, so...why are you lying?
Absolutely agree. Who cares what the state is called if everyone has the same rights and the Palestinians who were driven out in the Nakba are given a right to return. Here's to a single, democratic, secular state!
Thank you! I have said for years that no state has rights. Only people do. I think—and I have to say this carefully—that those who insist on “Israel’s right to exist”!are convinced that, without the state of Israel, all Jews everywhere would be oppressed. They are wrong, I think. But they live their lives in fear, and the anger and hate bred by fear.
I think a lot of Zionists began claiming "If Israel doesn't exist, all Jews will be killed" as a defense of Israel, and somewhere along the way they began to believe it.
That was the point. Zionists have sought at every turn to present fallacies as fact and which if refuted distinguished one as seeking another Holocaust. Weaponzing the Holocaust and anti-seimitism worked for decades. They do not any longer. Zionists, and the state of Israel, are like the emperor with no clothes. We have seen truth, and can not unsee what we have seen.
Everyone with a basic understanding of history and morality knows that Israel is a terrorist entity was established by the West to solve the European Jewish "problem" and extend their imperial influence in the Middle East. If they label you as antisemitic is like being called Islamophobic by ISIS or called Christianophobic by Crusades.
what a timely article, i swear i was just thinking about this exact question in the shower a few days ago & the larger question of what gives states the “right to exist”
Next up, Prussia has a right to exist! Rhodesia has a right to exist! Upper Volta has a right to exist! Jonestown has a right to exist! The country I am about to make up has a right to exist!
This is the only discussion we should be having regarding this topic. Israel is not sustainable without apartheid. It’s genocide/ethnic cleansing or dissolution. Those are effectively the choices you have if you want to engage in this topic.
A brilliant and I believe seminal article. It moves our minds towards evolution onwards from the flawed and corrupt concept of the nation state that has been endlessly leveraged by the forces of division and chaos. Bravo. 👏
Thank you for articulating this!! I was never able to put my finger on why the "Israel has a right to exist" argument made me so...baffled. Like what does that mean??? But it was treated as such a normal thing to say that I thought I was in the wrong. So thank you again for writing and sharing this!!
The whole "Israel has a right to exist" argument really only works if you view stealing other peoples land based on some vague historical/ancestral claim to it and then committing apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the people living there as some neutral, benign action that everyone should accept.
Thank you for this wonderful article! The voice of reason! Which highlights the fundamental right of peoples to exist, and not that of states that are artificial creations that can be remodelled according to the whims of history and the whims of deranged sociopaths…
I'm glad you appreciated it!
Statehood is often a construct imposed by an external and often colonising force(s), and it’s particularly dangerous when that force wants homogeneity within the “state’s” borders. Palestine used to be a rich, culturally and ethnically diverse region with somewhat porous boundaries, but what the region has become having been artificially constructed by external forces and then occupied by a colonising apartheid regime with walls both within an around is a social, cultural and physical dustbowl.
Yes I am a University Professor, which suggests I consult reliable sources beyond Wikipedia.
Touchè!
More so than you have
"Beg to differ, there is no Apartheid , saying so its an out and out lie , propagated by Pro Palestinians and Communist College Professors among others, and people like yourself."
So, Israel's own human rights organization is lying?
"Now on to colonizers, who colonized who? Palestine? Which Palestine ?"
The establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine was an explicitly colonial project (specifically, British Imperialism). And, as has already been pointed out to you: according to a genetic study by John Hopkins University, 97.5% of Israelis are the descendants of European migrants and have no genetic connection to the ancient Hebrews, while 80% of Palestinians actually are the direct descendants of the ancient Hebrews.
"In actuality there has never been a Palestine, But people like yourself swallow the lie hook line and sinker."
Palestine was a recognized province of the Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, and was a mandate of the British Empire post-WW1. Considering you cited many of these, you clearly know it, so...why are you lying?
Ahhhhh...is someone triggered?
Absolutely agree. Who cares what the state is called if everyone has the same rights and the Palestinians who were driven out in the Nakba are given a right to return. Here's to a single, democratic, secular state!
Thank you! I have said for years that no state has rights. Only people do. I think—and I have to say this carefully—that those who insist on “Israel’s right to exist”!are convinced that, without the state of Israel, all Jews everywhere would be oppressed. They are wrong, I think. But they live their lives in fear, and the anger and hate bred by fear.
I think a lot of Zionists began claiming "If Israel doesn't exist, all Jews will be killed" as a defense of Israel, and somewhere along the way they began to believe it.
That was the point. Zionists have sought at every turn to present fallacies as fact and which if refuted distinguished one as seeking another Holocaust. Weaponzing the Holocaust and anti-seimitism worked for decades. They do not any longer. Zionists, and the state of Israel, are like the emperor with no clothes. We have seen truth, and can not unsee what we have seen.
Great points!
Thank you!
Everyone with a basic understanding of history and morality knows that Israel is a terrorist entity was established by the West to solve the European Jewish "problem" and extend their imperial influence in the Middle East. If they label you as antisemitic is like being called Islamophobic by ISIS or called Christianophobic by Crusades.
what a timely article, i swear i was just thinking about this exact question in the shower a few days ago & the larger question of what gives states the “right to exist”
Great minds think a like I guess!
100% … so important to makes sure no states have rights. Not even the right of self defense. States headed duties to their citizens, hard stop.
Gracias.
I'm glad you appreciated it!🙏
I couldn't agree more.
Next up, Prussia has a right to exist! Rhodesia has a right to exist! Upper Volta has a right to exist! Jonestown has a right to exist! The country I am about to make up has a right to exist!
And what law framework did the zionist use to create the state of Israel? the very same framework they are now destroying?
I guess you don't have very good reading comprehension
This is the only discussion we should be having regarding this topic. Israel is not sustainable without apartheid. It’s genocide/ethnic cleansing or dissolution. Those are effectively the choices you have if you want to engage in this topic.
This is spot on.
A brilliant and I believe seminal article. It moves our minds towards evolution onwards from the flawed and corrupt concept of the nation state that has been endlessly leveraged by the forces of division and chaos. Bravo. 👏
Thank you! I'm thrilled to hear you appreciated it.
Excellent 👌
Thank you! I'm happy to hear you appreciate it!
Thank you for articulating this!! I was never able to put my finger on why the "Israel has a right to exist" argument made me so...baffled. Like what does that mean??? But it was treated as such a normal thing to say that I thought I was in the wrong. So thank you again for writing and sharing this!!
Of course! I'm glad you appreciated it, and thank you for your kind words and support!