I'm curious if you think--as distasteful and bad for actual positive progress in this country as I personally find it--Harris buddying up with conservative establishment types (e.g. the Cheneys) has any ability to diminish the likelihood of this potential outcome. Plus not too be overly optimistic, but with a Georgia judge thankfully blocking that hand count rule, Trump's ground game imploding in Arizona, etc, even though he clearly has the support of the Supreme Court, I wonder if he has less consistent support from the lower levels of the Republican Party apparatus than he did in 2016 and whether that could affect the likelihood of a judicial coup attempt.
That's the one thing that might be the block in this strategy. A bunch of high-level GOPers leaked that they were secretly hoping for a Trump loss and a Republican Senate victory. I think that speaks to the frustration they've experienced and the down-ballot loses he has caused them saps the energy needed to support a judicial coup attempt fully.
While I think the Dem strategies are putting this too close, I don't think it's like 2016. That said, who knows? As for Trump, I think he's addicted to it. Even when he won in 2016, he insisted the election was rigged because he didn't win the popular vote.
1. Considering that the Democrats have pretty much screwed themselves already, I don't see why Trump would have to steal the election (unless he's just addicted to claiming things are rigged)
2. Both parties serve the ruling class and they ultimately determine the outcome of elections and policy. The ruling class has no real reason to accept a fascist coup in the US because there's no actual threat of Socialism in the US currently. But they will accept a legal coup like Bush v. Gore.
There is no election integrity because the voting mechanisms and process is a hot mess. Until we use the blockchain to secure votes, our system is open to hack and fraud. So IMO both sides can accuse the other of stealing the election and they'd be right.
I'm hesitant to put faith in any accusation without evidence. I don't know enough about voting machines to know if they're vulnerable. But even if they are, that alone isn't enough to warrant an accusation, in my mind.
Not just the machines. It's the validation of voter rolls, registration oversight, not to mention the mountains of video evidence unearthing the vulnerability of the system including a (Michigan I think) professor demonstrating a hack in a college class, an expert witness demonstrating a hack in a courtroom, and recent news videos of neighbors RING doorbells showing ballot steals, a man who fished out ballots from the sewer drain, and poll workers allowing people ballots without showing ID. Tip of the iceberg.
Discrepancies are relatively minor to the fact that the Electoral College exists. This idea that blockchain tech is a solution to everything when it would only really provide minor guarantees for voter rolls when that’s hardly a massive systemic issue. At best you’d address a few thousand votes across the entire country
How does that solve the issue of fraud (in voter rolls, voter registration, ballot distribution, ballot access, vote counting, etc)? Electoral college or ranked choice or populist vote still doesn't address the core issue I'm talking about which is fraud and manipulation. We don't have a clean system, and I'm not talking about a few compromised ballots.
I'm curious if you think--as distasteful and bad for actual positive progress in this country as I personally find it--Harris buddying up with conservative establishment types (e.g. the Cheneys) has any ability to diminish the likelihood of this potential outcome. Plus not too be overly optimistic, but with a Georgia judge thankfully blocking that hand count rule, Trump's ground game imploding in Arizona, etc, even though he clearly has the support of the Supreme Court, I wonder if he has less consistent support from the lower levels of the Republican Party apparatus than he did in 2016 and whether that could affect the likelihood of a judicial coup attempt.
That's the one thing that might be the block in this strategy. A bunch of high-level GOPers leaked that they were secretly hoping for a Trump loss and a Republican Senate victory. I think that speaks to the frustration they've experienced and the down-ballot loses he has caused them saps the energy needed to support a judicial coup attempt fully.
Fun fact: John Roberts was part of the Anish legal team, with the assistance of Brett Kavanagh and Amy Coney Barrett. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html
*Bush, not Anish
Unreal. I knew Kavanaugh was a GOP stalwart, having cut his teeth on the Lewinsky case against Bill Clinton. But that's insane.
Was looking for this. Too few people know that current supreme court goons worked on the Bush V Gore case, on the side if Bush.
Seems to me that the Dems are handing the election to Trump[ on a platter.
Why would he need to cheat, unless it's because he can?
While I think the Dem strategies are putting this too close, I don't think it's like 2016. That said, who knows? As for Trump, I think he's addicted to it. Even when he won in 2016, he insisted the election was rigged because he didn't win the popular vote.
A couple things:
1. Considering that the Democrats have pretty much screwed themselves already, I don't see why Trump would have to steal the election (unless he's just addicted to claiming things are rigged)
2. Both parties serve the ruling class and they ultimately determine the outcome of elections and policy. The ruling class has no real reason to accept a fascist coup in the US because there's no actual threat of Socialism in the US currently. But they will accept a legal coup like Bush v. Gore.
Litigation is what cheap failed business owners do. That's why we hate when they run for political office.
Go ask Chad, I think he'll know...
There is no election integrity because the voting mechanisms and process is a hot mess. Until we use the blockchain to secure votes, our system is open to hack and fraud. So IMO both sides can accuse the other of stealing the election and they'd be right.
I'm hesitant to put faith in any accusation without evidence. I don't know enough about voting machines to know if they're vulnerable. But even if they are, that alone isn't enough to warrant an accusation, in my mind.
Not just the machines. It's the validation of voter rolls, registration oversight, not to mention the mountains of video evidence unearthing the vulnerability of the system including a (Michigan I think) professor demonstrating a hack in a college class, an expert witness demonstrating a hack in a courtroom, and recent news videos of neighbors RING doorbells showing ballot steals, a man who fished out ballots from the sewer drain, and poll workers allowing people ballots without showing ID. Tip of the iceberg.
Discrepancies are relatively minor to the fact that the Electoral College exists. This idea that blockchain tech is a solution to everything when it would only really provide minor guarantees for voter rolls when that’s hardly a massive systemic issue. At best you’d address a few thousand votes across the entire country
If you have a better idea, I'd like to hear it. I'm being sincere.
Replace or reform the electoral college system would actually have an impact
How does that solve the issue of fraud (in voter rolls, voter registration, ballot distribution, ballot access, vote counting, etc)? Electoral college or ranked choice or populist vote still doesn't address the core issue I'm talking about which is fraud and manipulation. We don't have a clean system, and I'm not talking about a few compromised ballots.
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Blockchains won’t solve this. It won’t even get close